838: Undercoverup Shows


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Flint Taylor: “You dehumanize Vietnamese, you dehumanize black people on the south side of Chicago. You dehumanize people in prisons in Pennsylvania, you dehumanize people in Abu Ghraib. That concept is almost universal in terms of what you see going back and forth with regard to local law enforcement in this county and sites such as Guantanamo and Vietnam.”

Attorney Flint Taylor connects the Homan Square ‘black site’ story to a larger history of secrecy, violence and abuse that spans decades, continents and wars.

Flint was quoted in the much talked-about, Spencer Ackerman article The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden ‘black site’ at the Guardian.

Flint Taylor is a founding partner of the People’s Law Office in Chicago.



Will Jordan: “South Africa has to cooperate with the Israelis, because they need all that good information from one of the best, most efficient intelligence agencies in the world – also the most ruthless. But on the other hand, they also can’t trust them – because they’re going to start spying in South Africa on the South Africans.”

Journalist Will Jordan reports on what the world has learned about Israel’s internal, and international, intelligence operations – from a split on Iran’s nuclear programs, to blackmail and cyber-attacks in South Africa.

Will is one of the journalists publishing the Spy Cables series of reports at Al Jazeera.

Will Jordan is a Doha-based investigative producer.



Peter Pomerantsev: “We’re only just entering a century that’s going to be full of these wars of ‘pure perception.’ The Russian military theory states this openly. It says the future of war is wars of pure perception fought purely through psychological means.”

TV producer Peter Pomerantsev explains how Vladimir Putin reshaped Russian television into a hallucinatory structure of control – where conspiracy, propaganda and cynicism dominate reality and manufacture the need for Putin himself.

Peter is author of the new book Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia.

Peter Pomerantsev is a London-based television producer.



Steve Horn: “There is a lot of backlash against Tar Sands pipelines. And the industry is very quietly finding alternatives to bring it to market, and that is Tar Sands-by-rail.”

Journalist Steve Horn reports on the economic, environmental and political realities of the growing oil-by-rail industry, from derailments and explosions across North America to the lobbyists working both parties to keep the money and oil flowing.

Steve has been covering bomb trains and the flow of money and oil in his recent writing at DeSmog Blog.

Steve Horn is an investigative journalist and research fellow at DeSmogBlog.



Gerard Ryle: “Anything that has secrecy has the potential for wrongdoing, and what you’re seeing with the offshore world is that the product that they are selling is secrecy.”

Investigative journalist Gerard Ryle explains how Swiss bank HSBC enabled the rich to hide their wealth and conduct illicit transactions, what the US can and could and won’t do about offshore banking, and why financial secrecy poses a threat to democracy around the world.

Gerard has been digging through the Swiss Leaks, a series of files documenting the illicit financial dealings of Swiss banking giant HSBC.

Gerard Ryle is an investigative journalist and director of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists at the Center for Public Integrity.



Jeff Dorchen: “Not long after the bungee incident, I began to notice a change in how I viewed aspects of my life. I have never been a particularly materialistic person, but suddenly I was measuring myself in terms of how I might appear to some disembodied judge, according to what my possessions said about my financial situation.”

Poor Jeff Dorchen tries to go on a date and winds up taking home an internalized capitalist narrator in his crappy car.

According to his contacts on LinkedIn, Jeff Dorchen can do just about anything. He’s a visual artist, songwriter/musician, actor, essayist, poet, playwright and screenwriter.




  • YY

    Chuck you tried but did not really put much of a dent in the propaganda about the propaganda of Russia. Can you find someone that could talk about Russia without necessarily invoking the dreaded name of Putin as analysis that brings forth the supposed character of the leader always seems to fail to address reality.
    One doesn’t need to look at RT or any Russian source or pro-Russian source to realize just by critical monitoring of western media (BBC, Guardian, NYT, WaPo, Spielgel, you name it, and London Review has already had previous suspect bias on the issue as well) that the bulk of their coverage of Uke situation is not just biased narrative put poor fiction. When the entirety of the coverage of events relies upon reader’s bias on malevolence of Pootin as reason for any and all problems, any realistic reporting becomes hopeless. This is like Iraq all over again with Sadam and his torture, poison gas, mobile biological labs, incubators being thrown out with babies. And just as then, you did not need to have counter coverage of the news to know that the stuff being peddled was BS. I’d comment on facebook if I were not a facebook refusnik.

  • Robert Z.

    I’m sharing the report about Chigitmo from the guardian and this interview with F. Taylor with everyone I can. There is a concern about the escalation of the Police State across the political spectrum.

    The interview described Burge and the similarities between that and Homan Square, and the differences. Those are important connections. We also need to understand the connections between Homan and The Patrtiot Act, NDAA and the circumvention of due process, innocent until proven guilty, and the Bill of Rights.

    It’s no longer tenable to dismiss the Bill of Rights and Constitutional protections because some of the founders of the Country owned slaves. The minutemen were not slavers, they were poor white schlubs who were not allowed to participate in the market because they were not part of the loyalist elite. They have more in common with the Black Panthers in many respects than they did anyone else who has come along since the MM were around.

    There are 270M (Approx?) adults in the United States. The numbers are such that the people would not need violence to regain the rights that have been lost to the recent NDAA and Patriot Act scams being supported and defended by the treasonous 2-Party cavorts.

    The State needs violence to accomplish this crime. The people need peace to correct it. That being said, when the minutemen had enough of being subjected to 2nd class citizenship, and dealing with colonists being guilty until proven innocent, having their goods and production seized and suppressed, they began responding by literally cutting the throats out of loyalists and redcoats right out in the streets and letting someone who gave a damn clean up the bloody mess. Thankfully for the Police today, it will not be necessary to respond as such. As much as they’d love the excuse to impose a full on Police State, sooner than later.

    Of course it’s ironic and excruciating to see the reaction of some of the people in our Country who call themselves “patriots” supporting the killing of unarmed Americans that the Police have been leaving all over our streets, considering what the actual Patriots did to their garbage forebear Redcoat Loyalists. It’s also encouraging to see that some of them are figuring this out, and coming out of the stupor of the culture war. They can see the writing on the wall. We can hope the people calling themselves the left can recognize the importance of holding up the mirror of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to a system and a society that has cordoned itself, conveniently for the modern elite, into neat little political religions, engulfed in a moronic culture war where they fantasize about “winning”.

    Personally, I’ve never met anyone I agree with on everything. I don’t know anyone who likes everyone. I certainly do NOT like everyone. In fact, I like very few people. That’s why I understand that laws are supposed to protect me from their beliefs. The reason for individual rights is to protect people from other people’s BELIEFS. You don’t have to like everyone, you don’t have to believe everyone, and you don’t have to agree with everyone. Where did this fantasy come from where everyone has to agree with everything? That is why the American laws existed in the first place. That’s why they need to be re-established.

    You are not going to win the culture war. If you are waiting for some kind of socialist revolution, where all the land and resources and money is going to be redistributed, you are going to lose. You are going to lose big. If you are waiting for some kind of return the the 1950′s where men were children and the women took tranquilizers, you are going to lose, and you are going to lose big.

    You are not going to agree, you are not going to like everyone, and you are not going to win, but if you don’t at least agree in the basic tenets of individual rights, innocent until proven guilty, and due process, you may survive long enough to debate about all those things you love to hate and ridicule each other over, you retarded culture warriors.

    While it’s useful to look at the past and see some history, and not just this sort of distant history about the Minutemen and the Loyalists, but the relatively recent history of Jon Burge. It’s also important to look at how these developments of the Patriot Act and NDAA, which made Chigitmo possible, affect the future. The future does not look good. What is happening at Homan Square IS the future of American Policing. You do NOT have the rights you used to think you had. You won’t because you are not smart enough to get over your political religions and recognize each other as individuals.

    On both the right and left you’ve been trained to hate the very word “individual”. The left equates it with some weird definition of selfishness, that has ironically been foisted on them by the neocons. And the right claims the word as their own, but are clueless and in a denial of granite denseness regarding the collectivist nature of their religious beliefs, and the collectivist monstrosity called Citizens United that is getting ready to crush every last semblance of small town America they pretend they have a memory of.

    So wait a minute, how do I think I know what the heck the future holds? Well, for one thing, this is the way Empires fall. It’s just what they do. They invade themselves to death. That’s what’s happening. The people who own everything and who have taken control of the political class have no interest in allowing for open economics and free enterprise, and neither do the political class. The political class have created a litigious wall of separation between themselves and the citizenry. You know this is the case because the protections of govt. only apply to them. They make themselves exempt from the laws they subject us to, while retaining Constitutional protections for only themselves. They have all the weaponry in the world at their disposal, and it’s pointing at you, Americans; criminals; probable terrorists.

    Some half-brain-dead loser, who barely graduated High School can decide the fate of your child, right out in the middle of the street, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. That’s the way the people you campaign for like it. That’s the way it’s going to stay for a really, really long time.

    Enjoy your culture war, knuckleheads.